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Well, various people are commemorating the fact that it's 25 years since Thaggie came to power. Unsurprisingly, most of these people are peddling the view that she was a great PM and did the country a power of good even if a lot of it was very harsh. Some of the latter are even people who ought to know better.


If you look at the economic record of her time on office, you'll see that the growth rate was roughly the same as that of the previous government, which few people describe as successful. Indeed, her first term saw the economy as a whole contract, and was in fact the only governmental term in the last sixty years that that happened in. Industrial investment? It collapsed. Maintenance of public services? Don't make me laugh. And all that oil revenue? Where did it all go?

Margaret Thatcher's public image was that very Eighties phenomenon, a triumph of style over substance. Wilson and Callaghan did at least as good a job under harsher economic circumstances, and Major and Blair both did a better job by abandoning the kneejerk monetarism. Although far more rightwing than most people realised (he exploited the grey-man persona very well), Major was a far better PM than Thatcher, but the Tory party to its shame gave him the same level of support the Labour party had given to Michael Foot ten years earlier. His government made definite moves away from the deregulated boom/bust cycle the Thatcherites promoted, and Irn Broon has moved things still further. This isn't too surprising, of course - even Milton Friedman has recanted his monetarism now.

That was all, of course, inspired by this article by Larry Elliott from about a month ago. There was a lovely graph I saw around the same time - it may even have illustrated the print version of that article - which showed the relative rise and fall of income of the rich and poor in society under Thatch and Blair. I'm afraid I can't reproduce it for you here, but I can give you an executive summary:

If you've ever said that there's no difference between Thatcher and Blair,

you're wrong.

Date: 2004-05-04 05:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] swisstone.livejournal.com
In honour of this momentous anniversary, I shall get out my copy of Elvis Costello's greatest hits and play 'Tramp The Dirt Down' tonight.

Date: 2004-05-04 05:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sclerotic-rings.livejournal.com
At least you know that Thatcher won't die of a heart attack, for the same reason Shrub won't die of a brain tumor. It's also the reason why I don't worry about dying of an ovarian cyst.

Date: 2004-05-04 05:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] valkyriekaren.livejournal.com
Hurrah!

Don't forget to watch the lunar eclipse, though!

Date: 2004-05-04 05:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] swisstone.livejournal.com
In this weather? I think not ...

Date: 2004-05-04 05:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sclerotic-rings.livejournal.com
I feel for you. Across the pond, we're getting the same revisionist history about Ronald Reagan, mostly from people who were still a gleam in the milkman's eye when he first ran for President in 1976. Me, I started high school when he first won the Oval Office, and I saw firsthand the sort of economic damage the bastard caused; those saying Blair is as bad as Thatcher may be wrong, but those pointing out that Shrub is as fiscally irresponsible as Reagan are right on the money.

Date: 2004-05-04 10:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sclerotic-rings.livejournal.com
At this point, I'm not only reviving my call from 2000 for Charles Manson to run on an indie ticket (campaign slogan "Because A Nation of Freaks Deserves To Be Led By One"), but I'm thinking that he'd be the best choice. I'm not all that thrilled by Kerry for a lot of reasons, but I'd rather get a blow job from Jeffrey Dahmer than stay in the US if Shrub steals another term.

Date: 2004-05-04 05:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] steer.livejournal.com
If you've ever said that there's no difference between Thatcher and Blair

The most important difference was that when Thatcher was in power you could hope the oppostion would be better if they would get in.

Date: 2004-05-04 05:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] steer.livejournal.com
(grin) No, you are right. Sorry, I'm just horribly fed up with politics in this country. While intellectually I realise labour have improved things, emotionally it doesn't feel like it.

Date: 2004-05-04 06:04 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] nickys.livejournal.com
> most of these people are peddling the view that she was a great PM and did the country a power of good

It may cheer you slightly to hear that the young students and I were discussing this last night and they seemed to agree that when she dies they'll be getting the wellies out and joining the queue for her grave just behind Iain Banks.

Date: 2004-05-04 09:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sclerotic-rings.livejournal.com
Is this like the annual celebration of Joseph McCarthy in Wisconsin? (Senator Joe was a native of Appleton, Wisconsin, and every spring sees the local anti-communist forces and the other dittoheads in a solemn ceremony at Joe's cemetary, where a randomly selected little girl walks through the cemetary and lays a single red rose on his grave. About twenty minutes later, after the dittoheads leave, every freethinking person in the Appleton area collects around the grave and adds their own contributions to the gigantic crystal of uric acid that keeps Joe from digging out of his grave and feeding upon the living. Just so you know)

Date: 2004-05-04 09:19 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] nickys.livejournal.com
Yes, that's it. :o)

Date: 2004-05-05 02:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] devilgate.livejournal.com
Oh, that's brilliant. And I love "dittoheads".

Date: 2004-05-04 06:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kiaransalyn.livejournal.com
As a tribute to Mugrat Thatcher and the "It was twenty five years ago today" I shall play spaces' The Bullshit you talk is beautiful.

There is more to say, much more but I'll be damned if I waste it on a worthless waste of flesh and bone like her.

Date: 2004-05-04 06:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kiaransalyn.livejournal.com
Hmm, obviously so het up I've lost some grammatical ability. Ah well.

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